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[OC] Percent of Air Per Bag of Chips
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1.0k points · 2 hours ago
Excluding Pringles, it looks like there's a relationship between the thickness of the individual chip and the amount of air in the bag. Individual Fritos, Tostito's Scoops, and baked chips in general tend to be thicker, while regular chips are a bit thinner. That goes nicely with the idea that the air is to prevent crushing: chips that are less prone to being crushed need less air to protect them.
Cheetos' placement surprises me, though. I wonder if that's more because the shape of Cheetos makes it harder to pack them in a bag.
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Cheetos are also more air than other chips. They aren't as compact.
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These are regular Cheetos that are pretty dense. I believe Cheetos Puffs and Cheese Doodles are the ones with more air
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Can confirm. Secretary is a cheese paws freak and we argue over puff style being better or not. It isnt but i like to humor her.
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You seem like a nice person
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Or he wants to nail his secretary.
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Perhaps: and he wants nail his secretary
Not mutually exclusive
Dude crunchy all the way. Fuck puffy, they just aren't as satisfying.
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Agreed. Plus the flavor isn't as good. With regular Cheetos you can also fit more in your mouth like a true fatass.
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This made me laugh have a +1
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please refrain from using that imgurian term in our holy reddit, we call it updoot in here.
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well I mean, I didn't mean to make you internet-cry.
have an updoot
Score hidden · 54 minutes ago
Wait, I assumed that the air volume inside the natural shape of the chip didnt count. I have a feeling that if you only took the chips and squashed all the air out, this percentages would be much much greater. So I don't think they are counting the air inside the chips.
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So there's air in the bag plus more air in the cheetos
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You know i think,and this is just speculation, that the shaoe of the cheeto means theres more air in between them. Personally i feel like when i buy a bag of cheetos the bag usually feels pretty full.
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It’s gotta be due to the weight. They try to match the ounces to the other chips. Because Cheetos are heavier they don’t need to use as much
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I think it may be that cheetos get packed pretty dense and may even weigh more than some of the other chips.
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They want the bags to be about the same size for the same mass of product, so cheetos that are much denser than chips get more air in the bag so the bags are the same size.
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13 points · 2 hours ago
Harder how? I mean, if the shape is an issue then they could put the chips in the bag in a specific orientation. It's not like Pringles just shoots the chips into the tube in all different ways and then shrugs it off saying "whelp, we tried but the shape is so weird!"
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24 points · 2 hours ago
i'd say its more because of how much cheetos can fit in the space of the bag. like, they could pack it to the brim but compared to other types of chips there'd be a lot more cheetos in the same amount of space. If they made the bags smaller people's perception of how much cheetos there are would drop and sales would be affected. but i also have no idea what im talking about so yea.
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3 points · 2 hours ago
That's why I excluded Pringles, since they're in a tube instead of a bag.
But by harder, I mean how hard it is to break. Frito's are pretty thick, whereas Lay's break if you look at them the wrong way. Ruffles are basically perforated.
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Score hidden · 26 minutes ago
I'd be willing to bet that you're right about the shape of Cheetos causing their skewed ratio. Logically, you want to fill bags as fast as possible, but for such an irregularly-shaped product, you can't fill it quickly and fully. The Cheetos are going to get hung up on themselves as the bag fills, then settle significantly once it's moved. Sure, you could vibrate the bag to make them settle, but now you're slowing down the filling process. Better to spend a bit more on packaging materials and shipping costs than to slow down your production and sell a smaller volume of product than you are capable of manufacturing.
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1.3k points · 3 hours ago
I worked in a chip factory for a year and there is several reasons for this. Firstly it is to help prevent the chips from being crushed. Second it is actually nitrogen that they fill the bags with which helps prevent the chips from going stale. When the chips are bagged at the factory it is completely full, often problems arise that the bags are to full. Unfortunately the chips do get crushed and make the bag seem half empty.
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Alright that explains the deal about Pringles.
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Pringles is a potato mixture specifically designed and optimized to be saddle shaped.
The saddle shape helps prevent breaking.
Little pieces of hyperbolic parabaloids.
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Those are my favorite type of parabaloids.
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That or the thick fucking cardboard it is surrounded with. Also having each 'chip' perfectly placed on top of another prevents them from hitting each other sideways therefore breaking.
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38 points · 1 hour ago
Or both. Why not make the chip shape and the container both work to prevent breakage.
I think the large surface area helps transfer the energy from knocking back and forth better? That'd be my guess.
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Pringles has the opposite problem. Since they are a stack, too much air and the chips will slide from end to end, chipping the edges of the top and bottom "chips" (reconstituted potato product wafers)
So for Pringles, air space is completely unnecessary and actually counterproductive.
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A likely story Big Chip would come up with. Next you’ll say that you do it for our safety...
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All of Congress is in the pocket of Big Chip
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Hey man, you can always make your own chips. Just run some potatoes through a wood-chipper that flings the bits into an open, boiling vat of oil.
Safe as it gets.
70 points · 1 hour ago
Did you ever eat a hot, fresh corn chip right off the line?
My Uncle Lucky says eating a chip off the line is one of those experiences that changes your life. Birds fly a little slower, and pretty girls smile a little longer.
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29 points · 1 hour ago
Eating things fresh is just amazing in general.
I have a new apricot tree and it only produced a single apricot this year (actually two, but one vanished before I got to it...) and it was the most delicious apricot I've ever had in my entire life.
I also love eating my tomatoes and grapes right off the vine.
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You're telling me that grapes can get better than they already are?
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Score hidden · 35 minutes ago
Oh boy. You don't know the half of it. If you have any room at all for a grape vine, and they have a chance to grow for you, do it.
I have grape vines all along my front fence. The problem is it's hard to actually get the grapes to grow (at least for me... I always trim the vines wrong or something), but if you can get them, it's pure delicious flavor explosions with each little bite.
And even if you can't get the grapes to grow, the leaves themselves are pretty tasty. I like to eat the little, newest ones in my salads, and use the slightly older, bigger ones for wraps. Plus you can make Dolma!
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Used to be a Food Safety Technician for chip plant. That was my job for 8 hours. All chips are leaps and bounds better when fresh on the line. It's the absolute only thing I miss about that job.
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It's the absolute only thing I miss about that job.
You also said that this was the only thing about the job.
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Haha just make them at home bro. They're good, yeah. Obviously Lays is better at making them than us common folk, but youll get the idea.
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If you suck at making them perfectly thin you're basically making delicious fries. Lays will never be able to top a hot cottage fry seasoned exactly how you like it. It's simply impossible.
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Can’t eat chips anymore, They are just so much better fresh out of the fryer.
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Nobody got this reference so far, but I’ve been binging KotH and just saw this episode the other night. I got u fam.
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Love me some King Of The Hill. Lucky was a great character. RIP Tom Petty.
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1 point · 1 hour ago
I imagine that it’s like this at a lot of food plants(?). I do summer work at a meat place, and one of the products we focus on is viennas. And I can tell you, a fresh, hot sausage right out of the kitchen cannot be replicated. Cooking them at home after buying them doesn’t even come close to doing them justice.
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13 points · 1 hour ago · edited 1 hour ago
Fun fact: At high altitude stores a lot of products have seals broken from the pressure causing it to burst or tear. Lot of nasty stale shit at the grocery store.
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I went on a hiking trip up a local mountain here that has a store at ~7k feet. All the chip bags were fully inflated it was really funny to see
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As someone who lives at 7K feet, I always thought chip bags were supposed to be little compressed-air bombs that blow you straight to Flavortown.
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Wyoming here. Can partly confirm. It happens BEFORE it get to the store as well....
-- Order filler for multinational chain mart that starts with W.
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Score hidden · 58 minutes ago
So a bag of chips at the factory is the best bag of chips you could ever imagine? This is definitely how it was with ice cream sandwiches when I worked in a Blue Bell freezer. At the factory and shipping plants the cookies were CRISP! But after getting delivered to a store, multiple vendors constantly pull product from the freezer storage and jockey for placement, leaving doors open all day and product sitting outside the door so it all melts and becomes the ice cream you actually end up getting.
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I never understood the outrage about that "you buy 40% air"... No you don't, because they don't sell chips per liter, they sell them per gram...
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buT ThE aIR hAS wEiGHt tOo
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Never even considered this. Excellent point.
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18 points · 1 hour ago
You are correct, but this post is a reflection of what is perceived, not what actually is. They make the bag bigger to create the perception of more volume and then charge more for the same number of grams. The post is irrelevant to the people who go into the store, take out a calculator, and make the purchase selection based on cents/gram.
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They fill them with air to minimise crushing
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Score hidden · 19 minutes ago
charge more for the same number of grams.
I'd buy you dinner if you produced evidence of two bags of chips of the same type, by the same company, being sold at the same time/place, where both bags look to be the same size, but have slightly different weights and
prices.
Charge more than they previously did for all the bags of the same type, not one bag compared to another.
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I think the air is in there to keep the chips from getting crushed, not to make you think you're getting more chips.
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Which makes sense in the case of Pringles at least, those cans are hardy.
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Saw a show on the guy who made the Pringles can and pushes them to be made. He ashes were buried and n a Pringles can.
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it better be only his ashes and not have some air in it.
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Unfortunately only 72% of his ashes remained in the can when it was sealed.
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But Pringles are not chips
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And pizza is a vegetable.
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"Dude could you pass me the Dehydrated Potato and Cereal Flour Savoury Snacks please?"
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They are "crisps" in the US because they can't legally be "chips". In the UK it's apparently backwards where they are "chips" because they can't legally be "crisps".
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All of those in the image are crisps. Chips are the ones you get when you buy fish and chips. :)
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do you guys call popchips, popcrisps?
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Their computers run on microcrisps.
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84 points · 2 hours ago
You say that but in Europe I've always gotten bags of chips with less than 25% air and I've never had crushed chips.. But I've also had American chips, Lays to be specific, infamous for selling air and they had about as many broken pieces, or more, on average.
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The air in the bag is a selling tactic. Most of the time the chips get crushed because the boxes are thrown around.
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Do you pay less per ounce of chips in Europe than in the us?
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I have no idea, I've not taken specific notes of prices, especially since the American ones were a gift
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I liked the chicken biskits, they were really good. But I wasn't a huge fan of the chips.
I mean, I also had corn chips that were good.
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1 point · 1 hour ago · edited 1 hour ago
I’ve heard this before. Just thinking about Lay’s potato chips makes me salivate, but Britons generally don’t care for them. I’ve always assumed that if there was an item that would transcend the boundaries of international palates, it would be our chips...I was wrong.
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2 points · 1 hour ago
Not a briton, but I've liked a lot of stuff from the gift package, just not the lays chips. I had marshmallow lucky charms and they were amazing. The marshmallows had the texture of styrofoam, with the same squeaky noise when eating, but tasted really good.
So I suppose it was just lays being bad. Then again, I don't even know any good chip brands from the states.
Edit: No not canadian, I said european before too. German to be precise
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Score hidden · 57 minutes ago
Honnestly, I've always thought that to the point of boring holes in my cheeks and tongue from all the salt and vinegar, but once I stopped buying lays and then returned to it later, I couldn't bare the taste. I guess you just get accustomed to the things you eat the most.
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The bags are filled with nitrogen, not regular air. Nitrogen is lighter than air so if they're selling by weight after the bag is sealed then you're paying less per ounce of chip if there's more nitrogen in the bag.
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Score hidden · 50 minutes ago
Nitrogen is not lighter than air, air is primarily nitrogen. They're almost identical at equal pressures, but it's mostly pressure that will determine the difference in mass of the gas. But, they're bagged at atmospheric pressure, so there's no discernible difference between the two gases.
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Nitrogen may make up the majority of air and it's not light enough to be used for lift, but it is technically lighter than air. About 3% lighter.
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The air is to keep the chips fresh while they sit on the shelf. They do the same thing with bagged lettuce.
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Also, chips are sold by weight not volume. How hard is this to understand?
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Right. Air is for shipping reasons. Everyone knows how many chips are in an average bag.
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90 points · 2 hours ago
I learned recently that Pringles cannot use the word “chip” in their product name, based on a ruling from the FDA (and a similar ruling in the UK).
This is because of the manufacturing process and ingredients (made from dried potatoes and other ingredients and shaped in a press).
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are fritos or tortilla chips allowed to use the word "chip"?
Because they are also made from a mash of ingredients and shaped into a chip...
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Pringles isn't banned from calling them chips, but they would have had to call them "potato chips made from dried potatoes" so they opted for "crisps" instead.
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17 points · 1 hour ago
I believe Pringles aren't allowed to be called specifically "potato chips" because they don't fit the definition which is a thin slice of potato that's fried or baked. Tortilla chips definitely fit the definition of tortilla chips but also couldn't be sold as potato chips.
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A worthy question. I supposed tortilla chips can be called such because there is no vegetable called Tortilla, therefore it's implied that it's a processed product. However a potato chip must be composed of actual slices of potatoes.
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16 points · 1 hour ago
In the UK, Pringles made a big legal fuss over not being called a "crisp"; my memory is that, in the end, they're actually classified as cakes.
There's massive tax implications to this; VAT does not apply to food in the UK, with the exception of what you might broadly classify as "junk" food. Cakes have no VAT, crisps have VAT, so Pringles argued pretty hard that their fabrication process was more akin to a cake than a crisp.
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Score hidden · 53 minutes ago
They did argue that they're more akin to a cake or biscuit because they're made using dough, and it was originally deemed that they're not crisps. That was overturned, however, and they are legally crisps and subject to VAT.
In the interim year or so where they didn't have to pay VAT, they actually continued to do so anyway, which means they didn't have to back pay anything once it was ruled to be a crisp.
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There is no way they're classified as cakes, although I'm happy to be proven wrong if you can supply a source.
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Score hidden · 51 minutes ago
They were never legally classified as cakes, but the judge did agree that they're not crisps, in part due to their manufacturing process being more similar to cakes (i.e., made from a dough). That was overturned though, and they are now legally classified as crisps.
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They can't call them "potato chips" because it implies they are sliced from fresh potatoes. They can call them "potatoe chips made from dried potatoes" they just choose not to.
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And a 100% reason to fill it with air
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20 points · 1 hour ago
I never understand people who complain about this. At the end of the day you are buying a certain weight of chips. What is relevant is the mass of the product not the volume of the container. If you buy an ounce of gold you get an ounce of gold regardless of the size of the container the gold comes in. An ounce of gold in a big trash bag is worth the same and an ounce of gold in small ziploc bag.
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did you just take this from r/funny ?
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25 points · 2 hours ago · edited 3 minutes ago
Yes. Also, looks like it's the second try of his, with previous one being flaired as non-OC. Ugh.
Edit: Looks like this may be the original after all
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41 points · 1 hour ago
Hey there! This is Ross, on my more "serious" Reddit account. I'm the founder of Siege Media ( https://www.siegemedia.com/ ), a content marketing agency that created this for our client, Kitchen Cabinet Kings. We saw it was going viral on Reddit so decided to submit it to r/dataisbeautiful because someone actually suggested there. Our team in total created this: research, writing, QA, design, and was aware of it going viral -- I think it's fair to say given that that yes, the original posting was OC.
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Ah, ok. Is there some reason you wouldn't include that information in the original post?
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Original Poster14 points · 1 hour ago
(Ross here, now unbanned): I should have, my apologies. I thought the ask based on submission was just what it was made with not the context of said making.
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How would one measure this? You should be able to measure the original volume using water dispersion method. Do vacuum seal it and measure the volume again? How would that work for the pringles?
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Score hidden · 55 minutes ago
How would one measure this?
medical syringe with a large barrel. You can then use the markers on the side of the barrel to give you volume of air removed from the bag. Subtract that from total bag volume, which you can get via water dispersion, and you've got your numbers.
It's what I used years ago to prove to someone that the air is there to protect the chips, not to rip you off.
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They didn't. It's clearly made up BS. Chips are bagged by weight, not volume.
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There's no need to be rude.
Chips are bagged by weight, not volume.
People are weighed (or massed), and yet I can still tell you the volume of your mother.
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In the UK, Walkers (ie Lay's) is considered a bag of air. Legend has it, someone once found a crisp inside theirs.
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This is a grey area for it being OC ...
(Taken from /r/mildlyinteresting an hour ago)
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See my comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/8wmdyf/oc_percent_of_air_per_bag_of_chips/e1wtl8j/
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It’s not about how much air is in a bag, change your mindset and think about how much grams of chips you buy. They can’t give you bags without air cuz that will break all the chips
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Score hidden · 27 minutes ago
I never understood why people get so upset about this.
If it were 100% air, it would float away. There has to be some debris in the bag to weigh it down.
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I'll be damned; and here I thought they were the best chips on the market because of the way that they taste.
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2 points · 2 hours ago
I worked at a smaller factory for a company that really was only selling statewide. What surprised me the most was how many chips go to waste. If there weren't enough chips in the bag, we'd pop it and trash it. Too much, pop it and trash it. We ended up throwing away 10-12 trash bags full of chips away a day, just because the bags were messed up in one way or another.
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those are for the workers right? i mean were i live, they either go to the workers or back into the system
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Score hidden · 59 minutes ago
I work for Frito-Lays and we throw out way more than 12 trash bags in a shift. Luckily all that we throw out goes to cattle feed and not the landfill. I work on seasoning the chips and make sure you have the exact amount of salt and seasoning. Too much we abort the line. Too little the same. Throughout the process we probably have 5-7 spots where the product can get aborted for one reason or another. They are very picky about our products and maintaining the brand quality. Probably the best job I have ever worked. I am working overtime today making 52 an hour. That is unheard of where I live. Most places pay minimum wage. (14)
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1 point · 1 hour ago
Why not cut it open and reuse the chips? Too much work?
I know the chips are really cheap for the factory but 12 trashbags of rejects is a bit too much
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Why not cut it open and reuse the chips? Too much work?
That's against the health code as the chips would be considered "handled" once they were opened.
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I always thought the bag was filled with air to create a cushion so the chips don't get crushed.
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Score hidden · 12 minutes ago
Basically the more delicate the chip, the more air there is. The exception being Cheetos because they probably included puffs in the stats as well, which always have extra air.
Another thing to consider too is when travelling over mountains, the changes in air pressure will often times mess with the bags, leaving them either flat or stretching to the max once they reach their destination. Companies will add extra air to them to compensate for possible shrinkage but say, due to weather changes or what have you, the bags don't shrink at all, they will show up either popped or ready to burst.
Plus extra air helps to ensure less broken chips during their handling of employees stocking the shelves.
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"It's to prevent the bag (and your chips) from getting crushed, you a-holes"
Signed,
Sooo a lot of them could cut their shipping costs in half by making bags that are the correct size since theyd be to fit twice as many bags in each shipment?
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4 points · 1 hour ago
That's useless data.
How much does each bag weigh? And how much does each bag cost? Dollars per gram is the real data needed.
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Wait, so did you make this or just grab it from that website? It's tagged OC.
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The author as been verified through e-mail. /u/doughilarious is the founder of Siege Media who created this graphic for their client, KitchenCabientKings. Additional design files can be located here .
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See my comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/8wmdyf/oc_percent_of_air_per_bag_of_chips/e1wtl8j/
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Sortof -- we were commissioned by KCK to make it as a content marketing agency. See more context here: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/8wmdyf/oc_percent_of_air_per_bag_of_chips/e1wtl8j/
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Is this a complex ad for kitchen cabinets? I don't understand why it's on this cabinet website haha
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3 points · 1 hour ago
How is a bag having a higher ratio of chips:nitrogen giving you the "best bang for your buck"? Isn't price/unit weight (or price per unit volume, if you prefer that metric) really the only relevant factor? By this standard if they increased the volume of N2 in e.g. Pringles 10-fold, but halved the price, it would become a relatively "low value" product, despite being twice as good a value as when it was the value leader...
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Wait, so you didn't make it but tagged it OC? Hey everybody, doughilarious is a great big phony!!
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1 point · 2 hours ago · edited 2 hours ago
Extensive research revealed a connection between "Air per Bag of Chips" and "Cannabis use". -The Guardian
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1 point · 2 hours ago (1 child)
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Sorry for asking this, but what does this mean? for example, does 50% means compared to the total volume of the bag, 50% is chips and 50% is air? Or
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1 point · 1 hour ago
It's talking about the proportion of air. The amount of the original bag chip design shows how many chips there are in relation to the total bag volume (you see the Fritos logo more than Cheetohs) so Fritos has less air.
Also, either way, Thanos is pleased with Stacy's and Ruffles.
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There's a reason for putting air in the packs. You probably wouldn't want to get your chips vacuum-packed...
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Surprised there isn’t a campaign or something to save plastic wrapping for packets with unnecessary extra packaging
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based on headspace or void fraction? I'm betting on drastically different results if the method changes.
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